Dena, tormenting cats and keeping feet warm are perfectly legit jobs for a Lacy, if you ask me!  Just because you don't happen to own cattle or hunt doesn't mean you shouldn't have the privilege of owning a Lacy!  The same intelligence and trainability that makes them a great working dog not only makes them a good companion, but allows them to excel on the agility course.  The stamina and energy they use when working cattle also makes them a great running buddy and allows them to chase a ball or frisbee as many times as the kids want to throw them.

 Remember this part of the state dog bill:

WHEREAS, While these gentle, versatile dogs continue to be used on ranches, they are also becoming highly prized again as hunting dogs and are proving valuable, as well, in search and rescue work, owing to their keen scent-trailing ability; in addition, their easygoing way with children, their aptitude for jogging, agility courses, and games of Frisbee, and their suitability as watch dogs are all contributing to their growing popularity as family pets;  

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Sundra
TLGDA Breeder

Hi Sundra-

Don't worry - I don't need any convincing! Talley may be "citified" but she occassionally reminds me of her true roots - like the time she held a raccoon at bay in my backyard for over two hours!

I'm just echoing Jesse's comments about Lacy owners coming from all walks of life and the TLGDA respecting that. Talley came into my life pretending she was a Weimaraner (sneaky girl!) so without this website and the good folks on it, I'd still be thinking I had a demented bird dog! I want the ethical breeders responsible for preserving–not changeing–the Lacy breed to know I appreciate them.

 

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Dena E. Brown
TLGDA Editor
22true@efn.org

I could never cull other than spaying and neutering.   That I firmly believe in that to preserve the integrity of the breed. 

Dena, I think Tally has a full time job being your bud and lives up to her heritage. The two of you make a great team.    Keep up the great work. 

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Brenda Sturman
Alvin, TX
blsturman@live.com 281-914-5635

Thanks guys, for all the encouragement and kind words. 

While the Lacys were bred to work on the ranch and farm,,,,,,I believe as the population grows and changes,  being a good companion and pet may be the best thing we can breed for, along with their hunting/working instincts.  I encourage all my puppy customers to watch THE DOG WHISPERER for training techniques,  crate their dogs and take them to obedience training.  Bonding with your Lacy is the best thing in the long run that you ca n do.    

 

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http://dstexaslacydogs.shutterfly.com/
806 675-6181

"Liars need to have good memories."

denabrown:

Great posts.

Other than coat color and markings, what are some other traits known to be passed on genetically? Do some specific lines produce dogs more suited to tracking, or others that create incredible herders? Or is it less predictable than that? 

Jesse, do I remember correctly that you try to hold onto, at least for awhile, a couple pups from some of your litters to make sure the pairing works as you hope? And what characteristics are you looking for? Do some of you other breeders do the same or track the pups as they grow to see if the strengths of the sire and dam carry through?

Another note: I am very grateful that this group of good folks (and the association) have welcomed Talley and I despite the fact that the only job Talley has is tormenting the cat (a job she excels at, I must say.) I appreciate you all being supportive of Lacys in the many ways their instincts manifest, whether as hunters, herders, trackers, or as all-around good companions. That reminds me . .  "Talley, where are you? Get back over here and lay on my feet–they're getting cold!"   ---dena

 

 

 

Shyness or skidishness is something that is passed through bloodlines most of the time, not something you want in a hunting dog. This does not mean they will not make it as a working dog butyou will have less of them with this type of trait working . I have a female Catahoula that is shy of people, you will not catch her she will only come in to me and I have to be a way from everyone for her to come in. She is s good hunting dog, will find her own hogs and works along side other dogs . I crossed her to a couple of good males years ago , out of the two litters maybe 4 of 10 to 14 pups did not show this shyness. We stopped breeding her.

I always keep at least two pups out of every litter, some end up staying for ever and some I let go, but there is always one from past litters here. This gives a chance to see how the lines worked when crossing , looking to meet standard and all the working ability I can get. I do believe that some lines produce stronger working traits when bred correctly, breeding is sometimes a tricky thing when you have set goals for yourself as a breeder and trying to work on a good breeding program.

I like out going but indipendent pups, I like plenty of great and alot of smarts. Size is not really a big issue with me but I want my dogs to meet the breeding standard in all aspects possible.

Hey got to go to work, be back  later ......its inventory week and we have been working all weekend

 

 

JJ

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Jesse James
Vice President TLGDA
Lacy Breeder
912-610-4584

We only cull dogs if there are physical deformaties or something like that.  I can not cull a perfectly healthy dog because it does not meet breed standards.  However, they do not leave my house without a spay and neuter contract.

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TLGDA Board Member
Melanie Tiemann
"If at first you don't succeed, Skydiving is not for you"

Just curious - how do you make sure the pup gets spayed or neutered?

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Crescent Moon Ranch
Raising quality commercial calves

I will not let them go without a signed contract.  Also, we do not sell to just anyone.  Most of these people are friends.  We are extremely picky.  Therefore, if I find out they did not do it, I will go get my dog.  I am Mean that way.

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TLGDA Board Member
Melanie Tiemann
"If at first you don't succeed, Skydiving is not for you"

Hey Mel, (and others),

  What is the teeth behind the contract? In other words, short of violence, what is there to back up the contract? Would you have to go to court to enforce it or what? Just curious cause I have thought about what happens if someone just says they have changed their mind and won't follow through with the aggreement?

 And maybe tell you to stay off their property?? I don't know so that's why I'm asking.

Truly, Jimbo

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Lacy's Rule!!!
Always have extra nice Corriente Cattle For Sale.
Jim Williams
Walking T Cattle Company
"We Don't Rent Pigs!"

Getting it notarized is one step for legal issues, explaining the contract to them and also having them read it in front of you or over the phone ( if shipping ) so there are no questions later. I also like them to give me the name of their vet so I can check that and talk with the vet myself. give them a standard time period to get it done and hold on to paper work with the association if you do not receive a signed letter from the vet on their paper work, then double check that. If they decide not to get it done then they have no papers for their Lacy. Make all these agreements upfront before the pup ever leaves your hands is all you can do. Write your contract up in simple terms its easy that way.

 

JJ

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Jesse James
Vice President TLGDA
Lacy Breeder
912-610-4584

Examples of some breeder screening questionnairs and contracts in the newsletter might be helpful to some TLDA members??

Dena

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"Anything good in life is either illegal, immoral or fattening"

Cynthia provide some to me the other day to be able to be shared.  Might be to much for the newsletter, but I am sure we can put them up somewhere that others can download from the site or something. Dena might also feel it will fit well for the newsletter.  I let her respond to that part.  Until I can ask the webmaster where that would need to go and all approve, I am sure Cynthia or myself wouldn't mind emailing them to the ones interested!

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Breeder/Pups for Sale Administrator
TLGDA Board Member
210-681-1301
bluelacydogs@sbcglobal.net

In a way, I've always felt sort of guilty that I didn't breed Lucky, because she is so amazingly beautiful and so true to the breed standard.  But, she is a companion and not a working dog and I knew from the very beginning that I wouldn't breed her out of respect for what the other breeders were doing for the Lacy breed.  I would have taken a "non standard" Lacy, with a "non breeding" contract in a New York minute had one been available at the time.  I've said it before on here and I'll say it again, before April 2007, I WAS NOT a dog person.  After getting Lucky, I'm probably still not a dog person, but I darn sure am a Lacy person!  I love that girl!

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Vicky & Lucky
Fort Worth

Please do send me the info. I welcome anything you think may be of interest to other members.

Cynthia has also sent me an article about breeding dogs for appearance rather than intelligence, temperment, and good health–a subject that will, I believe, resonate with all of us. I won't be able to print it all, but will include the main points as well as the web address so we can read the entire article if we want.

Sound good?   ---dena

 

 

 

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Dena E. Brown
TLGDA Editor
22true@efn.org

I'm good with breeding for desired working traits... But just like dating, who wants ugly dogs?

 

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Genuine Working Mississippi Lacy Team Owner
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In the end, it will not matter if you were well liked. But, it will matter what you stood for! If you claim it, be prepared to prove it!